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		<title>By: calm mama</title>
		<link>http://thecalmbeforethestork.com/2008/01/26/vaccination-and-new-baby-clothes/comment-page-1/#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator>calm mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, Dr. Mike. That&#039;s intense. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d prefer not to insult my readers and friends who choose not to vaccinate, yet I appreciate you finding my blog and voicing your opinion. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am glad to hear (again) that the original paper linking MMR and autism was bad science.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thecalmbeforethestork.com/2008/07/31/yesterday-tv-was-such-an-easy-game-to-play/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Did you see my post, or read the articles I read, about the new suspected link between autism and TV-watching?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way, Dr. Sears strongly advises parents vaccinate in his &quot;Vaccine&quot; book, so he&#039;s really not the enemy in this situation. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, the book has special chapters addressing the anti-vax community, attempting to change their minds, or at least get them to do a minimum vaccine schedule.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He does suggest that if parents are concerned about MMR, there are ways to obtain the three vaccines (measles, mumps, rubella) separately and space them out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If he was more extreme in his opinions previous to that book, I don&#039;t know about it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From my own experience, I have been happy with my decision to separate out the vaccines one at a time (rather than four or five in one visit) to reduce the potential side effects and temper the load on my baby&#039;s developing immune system. I was also glad to have a conversation with my pediatrician about whether or not the Rotavirus vaccine was necessary, and to choose WITH HER not to continue it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I, myself, got the pertussis vaccine on my second day in the hospital, post-partum, and my baby has had DTaP and all of his other necessary shots to date, albeit more slowly than the AAP schedule, and with additional costs (from the co-pays per visit).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* * *&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further note to my readers: I tried to contact Dr. Mike but the email address he provided doesn&#039;t seem to be real. I researched his visitor path and discovered that he was googling the phrase &quot;criticism of Dr. Sears vaccine schedule.&quot; I found that interesting, so thought you might too. Because this old post is not one that often receives hits. And he seems in his comment to be mounting some kind of campaign, and yelling at someone, though if he read the post thoroughly, I don&#039;t know if he means me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I tried googling his search terms and came upon this brilliantly-written post on vaccines, concerns about environmental and immune system overload, and links to autism and other behavioral issues: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;http://www.svmoms.com/2008/08/every-child-by.html&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I met Kari at BlogHer08, briefly, and I thought she was an incredible woman -- just from those few minutes. This post she wrote seals that opinion. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Curious that Dr. Mike didn&#039;t rant at her too. I may check a few more links to see where else he went. Since my boy is napping at the moment...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Dr. Mike. That&#8217;s intense. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer not to insult my readers and friends who choose not to vaccinate, yet I appreciate you finding my blog and voicing your opinion. </p>
<p>I am glad to hear (again) that the original paper linking MMR and autism was bad science.</p>
<p><a href="http://thecalmbeforethestork.com/2008/07/31/yesterday-tv-was-such-an-easy-game-to-play/" rel="nofollow">Did you see my post, or read the articles I read, about the new suspected link between autism and TV-watching?</a></p>
<p>By the way, Dr. Sears strongly advises parents vaccinate in his &#8220;Vaccine&#8221; book, so he&#8217;s really not the enemy in this situation. </p>
<p>In fact, the book has special chapters addressing the anti-vax community, attempting to change their minds, or at least get them to do a minimum vaccine schedule.</p>
<p>He does suggest that if parents are concerned about MMR, there are ways to obtain the three vaccines (measles, mumps, rubella) separately and space them out.</p>
<p>If he was more extreme in his opinions previous to that book, I don&#8217;t know about it.</p>
<p>From my own experience, I have been happy with my decision to separate out the vaccines one at a time (rather than four or five in one visit) to reduce the potential side effects and temper the load on my baby&#8217;s developing immune system. I was also glad to have a conversation with my pediatrician about whether or not the Rotavirus vaccine was necessary, and to choose WITH HER not to continue it.</p>
<p>I, myself, got the pertussis vaccine on my second day in the hospital, post-partum, and my baby has had DTaP and all of his other necessary shots to date, albeit more slowly than the AAP schedule, and with additional costs (from the co-pays per visit).</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>Further note to my readers: I tried to contact Dr. Mike but the email address he provided doesn&#8217;t seem to be real. I researched his visitor path and discovered that he was googling the phrase &#8220;criticism of Dr. Sears vaccine schedule.&#8221; I found that interesting, so thought you might too. Because this old post is not one that often receives hits. And he seems in his comment to be mounting some kind of campaign, and yelling at someone, though if he read the post thoroughly, I don&#8217;t know if he means me.</p>
<p>I tried googling his search terms and came upon this brilliantly-written post on vaccines, concerns about environmental and immune system overload, and links to autism and other behavioral issues: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.svmoms.com/2008/08/every-child-by.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.svmoms.com/2008/08/every-child-by.html</a></p>
<p>I met Kari at BlogHer08, briefly, and I thought she was an incredible woman &#8212; just from those few minutes. This post she wrote seals that opinion. </p>
<p>Curious that Dr. Mike didn&#8217;t rant at her too. I may check a few more links to see where else he went. Since my boy is napping at the moment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Mike</title>
		<link>http://thecalmbeforethestork.com/2008/01/26/vaccination-and-new-baby-clothes/comment-page-1/#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who refuse to vaccinate are insane. Have you ever seen a 2 month old die from pertussis (whooping cough)? Or an 8 month old die from Hib meningitis? It&#039;s very sad, and they don&#039;t have to if they are vaccinated. But if too many of you &quot;I did my research on the internet and from Dr. &#039;Make $$$ off your anxiety&#039; Sears&quot; looked around, you&#039;d realize the multitude of measles outbreaks this year in the US are due to declining vaccination rates in this country. Do you realize measles kills 500,000 people worldwide each year (about 1 in 500 who get it)? Do you really want this disease reappearing in your neighborhood and infecting your baby?  Trust me, if your little one gets any of these vaccine preventable diseases, there&#039;s a good chance they&#039;ll wind up in the hospital getting way more shots than they&#039;d ever get from all the vaccine pokes they&#039;d get in their whole life. And there&#039;s no evidence of a link between MMR and autism. The original paper was retracted (the lead author failed to disclose he was being paid under the table by a personal injury lawyer trying to sue a vaccine company) and even Dr. Sears recently basically just admitted there is no link based on very recent research which did stomach biopsies on autistic and non-autistic children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who refuse to vaccinate are insane. Have you ever seen a 2 month old die from pertussis (whooping cough)? Or an 8 month old die from Hib meningitis? It&#8217;s very sad, and they don&#8217;t have to if they are vaccinated. But if too many of you &#8220;I did my research on the internet and from Dr. &#8216;Make $$$ off your anxiety&#8217; Sears&#8221; looked around, you&#8217;d realize the multitude of measles outbreaks this year in the US are due to declining vaccination rates in this country. Do you realize measles kills 500,000 people worldwide each year (about 1 in 500 who get it)? Do you really want this disease reappearing in your neighborhood and infecting your baby?  Trust me, if your little one gets any of these vaccine preventable diseases, there&#8217;s a good chance they&#8217;ll wind up in the hospital getting way more shots than they&#8217;d ever get from all the vaccine pokes they&#8217;d get in their whole life. And there&#8217;s no evidence of a link between MMR and autism. The original paper was retracted (the lead author failed to disclose he was being paid under the table by a personal injury lawyer trying to sue a vaccine company) and even Dr. Sears recently basically just admitted there is no link based on very recent research which did stomach biopsies on autistic and non-autistic children.</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought the vaccine book, inspired by your post to worry in retrospect...! Definitely lunch next week post-yoga, if you&#039;re free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought the vaccine book, inspired by your post to worry in retrospect&#8230;! Definitely lunch next week post-yoga, if you&#8217;re free.</p>
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		<title>By: calm mama</title>
		<link>http://thecalmbeforethestork.com/2008/01/26/vaccination-and-new-baby-clothes/comment-page-1/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>calm mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad my experience is useful to others! And that the post sparked thoughtful discussion on the topic. Thanks again, everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad my experience is useful to others! And that the post sparked thoughtful discussion on the topic. Thanks again, everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: twinmommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>twinmommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers!! For talking about this and admitting your fear about it. I too stress and worry and becomed filled with anxiety on &quot;vaccine day&quot;. I feel comforted to know that you feel this way too! It&#039;s such a hot topic but ultimately a personal decision, thanks for opening up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers!! For talking about this and admitting your fear about it. I too stress and worry and becomed filled with anxiety on &#8220;vaccine day&#8221;. I feel comforted to know that you feel this way too! It&#8217;s such a hot topic but ultimately a personal decision, thanks for opening up.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://thecalmbeforethestork.com/2008/01/26/vaccination-and-new-baby-clothes/comment-page-1/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I&#039;m wrong about public schools - it does vary by state.

Re: &quot;generally anti-vax kids are healthy&quot; this is not about generally. This is about that statistical number of kids who die from some of these diseases. As I wrote above, I got all three of MMR plus chicken pox in childhood. I was healthy and fine. But some significant number of children out of a thousand do die of these diseases without the vaccine. And the epidemics can be very very costly.

How about this on diphtheria: &quot;Mortality/Morbidity: The most widely quoted diphtheria mortality rate is 5-10%. It may reach higher than 20% in children younger than 5 years. Disproportionately high rates of death were observed in individuals older than 40 years during an epidemic in the States of the former Soviet Union. Infection with the gravis strain is associated with higher mortality rates.

In the 1920s in the United States, 15,000 deaths were reported annually. &quot;

from http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic138.htm

Some have argued that the anti-vax people are only skating by because the rest of us get our shots, and there are still so few of them. But by not getting their shots, they keep the reservoirs of disease going in the population.

Still I am all in favor of questioning doctors closely about the vax schedule and being conservative about how much and when, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I&#8217;m wrong about public schools &#8211; it does vary by state.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;generally anti-vax kids are healthy&#8221; this is not about generally. This is about that statistical number of kids who die from some of these diseases. As I wrote above, I got all three of MMR plus chicken pox in childhood. I was healthy and fine. But some significant number of children out of a thousand do die of these diseases without the vaccine. And the epidemics can be very very costly.</p>
<p>How about this on diphtheria: &#8220;Mortality/Morbidity: The most widely quoted diphtheria mortality rate is 5-10%. It may reach higher than 20% in children younger than 5 years. Disproportionately high rates of death were observed in individuals older than 40 years during an epidemic in the States of the former Soviet Union. Infection with the gravis strain is associated with higher mortality rates.</p>
<p>In the 1920s in the United States, 15,000 deaths were reported annually. &#8221;</p>
<p>from <a href="http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic138.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic138.htm</a></p>
<p>Some have argued that the anti-vax people are only skating by because the rest of us get our shots, and there are still so few of them. But by not getting their shots, they keep the reservoirs of disease going in the population.</p>
<p>Still I am all in favor of questioning doctors closely about the vax schedule and being conservative about how much and when, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: NoMasNinos</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoMasNinos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, public schools DO let children who have not been vaccinated into the public school system as long as they fill out a waiver of some sort. I know this as I taught at many different public schools and had to verify that all my kids had all their shots or parents filled out a waiver. I don&#039;t know if it is the same in all states. Generally, all the anti-vax kids I have run into are healthy, and aren&#039;t a problem to the other vax kids.

&lt;em&gt;NoMasNinos&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://nomasninos.blogspot.com/2008/01/gray-skies-are-gonna.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gray Skies are Gonna...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, public schools DO let children who have not been vaccinated into the public school system as long as they fill out a waiver of some sort. I know this as I taught at many different public schools and had to verify that all my kids had all their shots or parents filled out a waiver. I don&#8217;t know if it is the same in all states. Generally, all the anti-vax kids I have run into are healthy, and aren&#8217;t a problem to the other vax kids.</p>
<p><em>NoMasNinos&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://nomasninos.blogspot.com/2008/01/gray-skies-are-gonna.html' rel="nofollow">Gray Skies are Gonna&#8230;</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Leanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Leila, on choice and criticism. Being a mom can be difficult enough without someone else piling the guilt on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Leila, on choice and criticism. Being a mom can be difficult enough without someone else piling the guilt on.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://thecalmbeforethestork.com/2008/01/26/vaccination-and-new-baby-clothes/comment-page-1/#comment-900</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: schools and anti-vax-ers - don&#039;t worry, the most severe anti-vax types usually end up homeschooling. Then they host infection parties where they expose their little darlings to homeschooling mumps sufferers, so as to build up their immunities. Don&#039;t laugh. I used to read homeschooling newsgroups. This is for real.

Now I had measles, mumps, chicken pox AND rubella as a child, and I didn&#039;t die. But these diseases do cause great harm to a certain percentage of the population. And diptheria kills.

It is true that the more granola/groovy private schools in affluent, liberal enclaves like Berkeley/Oakland do have more trouble with non-vaccinated children than public schools do. Public schools just say - tough luck, vax or leave.

OTOH - it is always good to ask questions and be cautious. Why not be conservative  about the vax schedule? What harm could that cause?

And flu shots - I let my hubbie and pediatrician talk me into them for the kids one year, but not again. I am not convinced that the shots do anything useful and I want my kids to get immune to the various strains as they run through the population. If and when the biggie flu virus hits, I want my kids to have as many immunities as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: schools and anti-vax-ers &#8211; don&#8217;t worry, the most severe anti-vax types usually end up homeschooling. Then they host infection parties where they expose their little darlings to homeschooling mumps sufferers, so as to build up their immunities. Don&#8217;t laugh. I used to read homeschooling newsgroups. This is for real.</p>
<p>Now I had measles, mumps, chicken pox AND rubella as a child, and I didn&#8217;t die. But these diseases do cause great harm to a certain percentage of the population. And diptheria kills.</p>
<p>It is true that the more granola/groovy private schools in affluent, liberal enclaves like Berkeley/Oakland do have more trouble with non-vaccinated children than public schools do. Public schools just say &#8211; tough luck, vax or leave.</p>
<p>OTOH &#8211; it is always good to ask questions and be cautious. Why not be conservative  about the vax schedule? What harm could that cause?</p>
<p>And flu shots &#8211; I let my hubbie and pediatrician talk me into them for the kids one year, but not again. I am not convinced that the shots do anything useful and I want my kids to get immune to the various strains as they run through the population. If and when the biggie flu virus hits, I want my kids to have as many immunities as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Mom 2 3</title>
		<link>http://thecalmbeforethestork.com/2008/01/26/vaccination-and-new-baby-clothes/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy Mom 2 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all!  Mommy criticism is awful.  We are in this together and we all have different experiences.  We need to support eachother, no matter the differences.  Motherhood is hard enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all!  Mommy criticism is awful.  We are in this together and we all have different experiences.  We need to support eachother, no matter the differences.  Motherhood is hard enough.</p>
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